Report - Current Bugs and Issues

[NullVoid]

Now that the Space Station is an Outpost variant, it's impossible to design a variant Space Station. Making a new design based on Outpost won't allow me to place anything but a Fuel Depot on the Station hardpoint, nor does it allow me to rename the design, so I end up with two Outposts on the design screen. It seems the original one gets deployed.

[Arioch]

Now that the Space Station is an Outpost variant, it's impossible to design a variant Space Station. Making a new design based on Outpost won't allow me to place anything but a Fuel Depot on the Station hardpoint, nor does it allow me to rename the design, so I end up with two Outposts on the design screen. It seems the original one gets deployed.

You can edit the Space Station design (or make a new variant); it just won't be deployable via the Outpost Transport. Presumably the Outpost Transport is hard-coded to deploy an Outpost, so creating a second Outpost design won't do much good. The inability to place anything but a Fuel Depot in the Station slot may be a bug, but it also may be intentional since that's the only valid thing to equip an Outpost with (in which case, the Outpost design should probably not be editable at all). An Outpost should require a Fuel Depot to be able to be deployed at a planet without a colony and extend ship range; a Space Station with no Fuel Depot should require a colony to be present.

I can see why you might want to load a Space Station or variant on to an Outpost Transport variant, to deploy ready-made Stations to new colonies, but that would mean having to be able to specify in the Transport design which deployable design to carry, which the current UI doesn't support. That might be worth fixing, but it seems like a niche ability.

[SirDamnALot]

Being able to tow an orbital installation from colony to colony sounds like a good idea.
Your big productive worlds could produce defense installations for the small (but still important) or new founded colonies.

It would also be an alternative for money-buy these expensive installations for "poor" worlds. Which would currently be the only way to fast track an star base/fleet base, besides waiting aloooot of turns

[SirDamnALot]

Finally had some time to play again

Probably not bugs, but features.
R15389 Dev:
I started a human game and immediately expanded with everything I had. So some colonies where established without scout scanning.
Later, a scout returned to a established colony and behold: a derelict ship was found.
That means only ships with the scanner module can find the hidden goodies?

As human, encountering space pirates that have a troop transport. The transport escapes to a neighbouring system. My fleet moves on, but a destroyer follows the transport. Not bothering with tactical combat, I let autocombat munch the transport.
But: The transport is now mine! The Destroyer did not have the boarding collar. Did the human transport crew surrender?
That would be nice actually

I found I could get rid of undesired lowtech races by shipping them to another colony. That already had max population.
And won't give extra living space for the new race.
So they basically had a "transporter accidend"

[NullVoid]

Now that the Space Station is an Outpost variant, it's impossible to design a variant Space Station. Making a new design based on Outpost won't allow me to place anything but a Fuel Depot on the Station hardpoint, nor does it allow me to rename the design, so I end up with two Outposts on the design screen. It seems the original one gets deployed.

You can edit the Space Station design (or make a new variant); it just won't be deployable via the Outpost Transport. Presumably the Outpost Transport is hard-coded to deploy an Outpost, so creating a second Outpost design won't do much good. The inability to place anything but a Fuel Depot in the Station slot may be a bug, but it also may be intentional since that's the only valid thing to equip an Outpost with (in which case, the Outpost design should probably not be editable at all). An Outpost should require a Fuel Depot to be able to be deployed at a planet without a colony and extend ship range; a Space Station with no Fuel Depot should require a colony to be present.

I can see why you might want to load a Space Station or variant on to an Outpost Transport variant, to deploy ready-made Stations to new colonies, but that would mean having to be able to specify in the Transport design which deployable design to carry, which the current UI doesn't support. That might be worth fixing, but it seems like a niche ability.

I actually want to make a second type of space station, but there's no space station within new design, only outpost.

[SirDamnALot]

R15389 Dev:
An iceball planet where my Humans can't farm. The tooltip still says that a farm would produce 1 unit of food.

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Also, whats up with the purple planet ?

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[Arioch]

So some colonies where established without scout scanning.
Later, a scout returned to a established colony and behold: a derelict ship was found.
That means only ships with the scanner module can find the hidden goodies?

Some system specials do currently require a scanner to uncover.

As human, encountering space pirates that have a troop transport. The transport escapes to a neighbouring system. My fleet moves on, but a destroyer follows the transport. Not bothering with tactical combat, I let autocombat munch the transport.
But: The transport is now mine! The Destroyer did not have the boarding collar. Did the human transport crew surrender?
That would be nice actually

You can board a ship without a Boarding Module if the target ship can't move, so a ship becomes boardable if you disable the engines. I'm not sure if that's what happened, but it's possible.

I found I could get rid of undesired lowtech races by shipping them to another colony. That already had max population.
And won't give extra living space for the new race.

Once the population morale system is implemented, you won't be allowed to transport discontent colonists (they won't get on the ships), so the races you probably want to get rid of (Gaiads and Scavengers) won't be able to be disposed of in this manner. The Threshers are actually pretty valuable; even if you're an aquatic race, they produce extra food. (Not sure whether that's implemented or displayed in the current build).

I actually want to make a second type of space station, but there's no space station within new design, only outpost.

I see. That is evidently an oversight.

Also, whats up with the purple planet ?

That's a "coral world," which is a planet that has been terraformed into an ocean world after being "infected" by the Gardeners' supercoral, to the point where there's no dry land at all. (The Gardeners are an aquatic faction that won't make it into the initial release, but should eventually be a playable faction in an expansion or DLC.)

The current graphic is a recolor of the island world done by Sven. I hope to have time to do a version that's a little more subtly colored.

[sven]

The Threshers are actually pretty valuable; even if you're an aquatic race, they produce extra food. (Not sure whether that's implemented or displayed in the current build).

Colonist food production is not yet implemented; so the threshers remain less-useful than intended. I've just made some significant balance adjustments to all the metal costs, and I wanted to get a sense of how that was playing before adjusting the food numbers as well.

[SirDamnALot]

You can board a ship without a Boarding Module if the target ship can't move, so a ship becomes boardable if you disable the engines. I'm not sure if that's what happened, but it's possible.

It was the auto combat without tactical view, so everything was calculated. The disabling and boarding is the most probably explanation.
But I would like the idea that Human Pirates would surrender to Human Players

Once the population morale system is implemented, you won't be allowed to transport discontent colonists (they won't get on the ships), so the races you probably want to get rid of (Gaiads and Scavengers) won't be able to be disposed of in this manner. The Threshers are actually pretty valuable; even if you're an aquatic race, they produce extra food. (Not sure whether that's implemented or displayed in the current build).

The Threshers are great, I've found a colony with them and immeaditly "seeded" all my garden planets with them.
Nice boost in production and taxes, my Gaia has whooping 44 people
Threshers don't seem to produce food yet. (Food calculation only shows planet base + farm production)

version

I see what you did there
Just missing a Giedi Prime

Colonist food production is not yet implemented; so the threshers remain less-useful than intended. I've just made some significant balance adjustments to all the metal costs, and I wanted to get a sense of how that was playing before adjusting the food numbers as well.

The metal costs are serious business now
Downside: Star bases/Fleet bases as defense structures are prohibitive expensive.
Only very few select worlds get shipyards. Everything else has to be contend with planetary batteries.
Are we gonna be able to upgrade the planetary batteries? E.g. get more weapon slots with better tech?

[Arioch]

Are we gonna be able to upgrade the planetary batteries? E.g. get more weapon slots with better tech?

Yes, we had several upgraded Planet Defense designs, but I think they may have disappeared from the tech tree in a recent update.

[SirDamnALot]

The resources display for metal starts to collide with research, when having a big stockpile of metal:

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Money folds into a smaller notation, so the others should do too, if you hit five digits
(Yes, metal is still scarce, I own ~90% of the galaxy and have invested alot of slots into mining. I am now switching over to cashflow to see if I ever can catch up with the Gremak marauder demand for their services.)

[SirDamnALot]

R15408 Dev, game_1021
savegame from R15398
selecting a new production for colony gremal crashes the game.

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Lua state\Orders\ship_refit.lua:7: missing required value: config
Lua state\Orders\ship_refit.lua:7:cant_refit:
 Lua state\GUI\~GalaxyMap\@ChooseProduction.lua:343:refit_option:
  Lua state\GUI\~GalaxyMap\@ChooseProduction.lua:430:calc_production_candidates:
   Lua state\GUI\~GalaxyMap\@ChooseProduction.lua:1025:draw_choose:
    Lua state\GUI\~GalaxyMap\@PlanetPane.lua:911:draw_controled_planet

Maybe related to the difference in savegame version and current game version.

Also, could the advisor be more insisting when no research is being done? I sometime dismiss the advisor when alot of stuff is done and work through the end-turn summary warning. But science is not mentioned there. At least "science" is not lost but stockpiled =)

With current version, food shortage is a TODO message?

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[sven]

selecting a new production for colony gremal crashes the game.

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Lua state\Orders\ship_refit.lua:7: missing required value: config
Lua state\Orders\ship_refit.lua:7:cant_refit:
 Lua state\GUI\~GalaxyMap\@ChooseProduction.lua:343:refit_option:
  Lua state\GUI\~GalaxyMap\@ChooseProduction.lua:430:calc_production_candidates:
   Lua state\GUI\~GalaxyMap\@ChooseProduction.lua:1025:draw_choose:
    Lua state\GUI\~GalaxyMap\@PlanetPane.lua:911:draw_controled_planet

Maybe related to the difference in savegame version and current game version.

This is a bug on 'stable' right now, and it does have to do with migrating older save games. It should fixed soon, but, until then, starting a new game should avoid the issue entirely.

edited by sven: Should be fixed as of the latest stable build (r15411).

With current version, food shortage is a TODO message?

Yes, I pushed some unfinished things to 'dev'

edited by sven: The warnings should be more or less working properly as of r15430, though the behaviors around food shortages due to blockades aren't properly setup/tested yet.

[SirDamnALot]

R15417 Dev,

My island worlds sometimes show "stitches" when I open a menu where the planet is shown.
Added: Nope, the island world shows it all the time, a planet rotation just takes longer than expected
Also there is a horizontal line at the south pole.

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...maybe theres treasure where the X is ?

[NullVoid]

Not properly a bug, but the automatic ship design logic could use a tweak. I'm playing as a Phidi, and having developed Containment Fields (which makes the Trade Ship available) after Military Doctrine (which makes the Armor Brigade component available), the default Trade Ship design will come pre-loaded with two Armored Brigades, which may be interesting if I'm planning to use them as troop transports, but is hardly the default application. Also, the auto design logic tends to use the most advanced generator available, even if a smaller (and thus cheaper, both in wrenches and metal) generator would cut the mustard. I don't know how easy would it be to make the logic optimize the power generators, but making the Cargo Bay component have a higher priority than the Armored Brigade component shouldn't be too hard and would be the logical choice for all situations except for the basic Troopship itself, but it seems that that design is already being generated through some custom logic, isn't it?

Finally, I am disappointed that the Science Stations don't work when the ship's been assigned to the Trade Pool, but I guess I can live with that.