Bug: Railgun, Force Lance, Station graphics

[rattle]

I found something weird happening...

Railguns:
I've played Humans and unlocked Rapid Fire and Armor Piercing Lasers (after Adv. Turbolasers) as well as Railguns. The auto designer using balanced often puts two Railguns in the slots of the Human Heavy Cruisers, Assault Cruisers and Battleships. On the surface everything seems fine but in the ship stats it states the weapon got the Laser mods, that is Rapid Fire and Armor Piercing which makes the weapon way overpowered compared to anything else.
I noticed this happening quite often. I've had accurate AM Missiles (not the Anti ones), LR Hellbores and so forth... something's wrong.


Force Lance:
It doesn't pierce Force Fields at all which renders it useless. Haven't tried battle shields due to tech level being rather late game.

Station graphics:
Are there plans for race specific stations? I think the Ashdar ones look out of place for everyone else, especially fighters, bombers etc.

[bjg]

Force Lance:
It doesn't pierce Force Fields at all which renders it useless. Haven't tried battle shields due to tech level being rather late game.

Did see that too. Reported, got no response.

[siyoa]

Force Lance:
It doesn't pierce Force Fields at all which renders it useless. Haven't tried battle shields due to tech level being rather late game.

Did see that too. Reported, got no response.

Hi, it seems that this is still happening, any word from devs, please ?

[Arioch]

Looking at the code, there may be a bug here; the Force Lance has shield_piercing_level set to 2 (normal shield piercing is 1), but it looks like the property function may be ignoring this value. I'll pass it along to Sven.

[siyoa]

Looking at the code, there may be a bug here; the Force Lance has shield_piercing_level set to 2 (normal shield piercing is 1), but it looks like the property function may be ignoring this value. I'll pass it along to Sven.

Thanks

that pierce level of 2 is maybe right as force field has pierce resistance of 1 and aegis has pierce resist 3, my assumption was that this is the way to make force lance to pierce through force fields, but not aegis (and hv railgun having pierce level of 1 would only pierce battle shield (pierce resist 0.5) or lower, i.e. pierce resist less than 1) ... but my knowledge of your code is worth around 15 minutes of time, i.e. I am pretty clueless

what I am trying to say, the issue is maybe little deeper I cannot run the game now, but if I remember correctly, "SP" as a mod was not showing on force lance during tactical battle (although it shows during ship design), hinting to force lance not having/using SP ability at all ... I never really used force lance until last night game when I run into enemy having developed force fields

great game btw, some shortcomings for sure (tech tree soooo short), but very good job

[siyoa]

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function WeaponProperty.shield_piercing_level(w) 
  if not w:special 'Shield Piercing'
    return 0
  end
  return 1
end

wouldn't this set shield_pierce_level to 1 for any weapons (edit: having SP) and thus ignoring pierce level set in define_weapon for each particular weapon ?

if that is the case and I would like to implement quick fix myself for tonight's game, what should it read ? it should be something like ?

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return w.shield_piercing_level

EDIT: if that is the case, it means I was seeing ghosts last night, and force lance did have SP during tactical, the pierce level just wasn't enough

[Arioch]

That's the code I'm referring to; it appears to return a value of 1 even if shield_piercing is 2. Your change may not work, because shield_piercing_level may not always be set for all weapons, and so the function may in some cases return an undetermined value.

It's not my code, it's Sven's, so I'll have to check with him to see if it's working the way it's supposed to. It might be that this function isn't even being called.

The Force Lance should be able to penetrate Force Field, but not Temporal Aegis. It's just possible that it's working as intended but that the effect is hard to see.

[siyoa]

That's the code I'm referring to; it appears to return a value of 1 even if shield_piercing is 2. Your change may not work, because shield_piercing may not always be set, and so the function may in some cases return an undetermined value.

It's not my code, it's Sven's, so I'll have to check with him to see if it's working the way it's supposed to.

that did cross my mind for a split second

sooo

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function WeaponProperty.shield_piercing_level(w)
  if not w:special 'Shield Piercing'
    return 0
  end
  if w.shield_piercing_level>1
    return w.shield_piercing_level
  else
    return 1
  end
end

EDIT: I am not fluent in LUA at all, I guess I'll try when I get home if Sven wouldn't be able to chime in

[zolobolo]

I found something weird happening...
Station graphics:
Are there plans for race specific stations? I think the Ashdar ones look out of place for everyone else, especially fighters, bombers etc.

Haven't heard any mentioning of race-specific stations yet, but being the optimist I am I sure hope so. I rationalize, that since this is "only" art, it does not require extensive work to implement from the application side - the bottleneck here might be of artistic nature. Good concept do not always come when people want them, and it is better to have less good art, then a bunch or mediocre.

Hope the artist will find its muse for the bases of other races as well

btw.: the Ashdar logo is visible on the stations for all races

[siyoa]

it seems I do not understand LUA syntax as I cannot call the weaponproperty no matter what I try, but found very ugly hack to make it work for the time being, at least it seems it is working

added this for force lance

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specials =set("Shield Piercing", "SP2"),

and changed the function to

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function WeaponProperty.shield_piercing_level(w) 
  if not w:special 'SP2'
    if not w:special 'Shield Piercing'
     return 0
   else
     return 1
   end
  else
    return 2
  end
end

[siyoa]

hey everyone, back to the game after about a year ... I was quickly checking a few things, this (shield piercing) seems to be unchanged unless it is now handled differently in the code ?

[harpy eagle]

it seems I do not understand LUA syntax as I cannot call the weaponproperty no matter what I try, but found very ugly hack to make it work for the time being, at least it seems it is working

Out of curiosity, what were you trying before?

[siyoa]

Out of curiosity, what were you trying before?

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function WeaponProperty.shield_piercing_level(w)
  if not w:special 'Shield Piercing'
    return 0
  end
  if w.shield_piercing_level>1
    return w.shield_piercing_level
  else
    return 1
  end
end

just tested it, it seems my "ugly hack" is still needed for Force Lance to pierce Force Fields ... bit disappointing that it wasn't fixed yet

[harpy eagle]

Huh, I wonder if it didn't work because "shield_piercing_level" is also the name of the weapon property.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if you define

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function WeaponProperty.foo(w)
  --return stuff
end

Then any time you evaluate w.foo it will call the foo function to determine what value results?

[sven]

just tested it, it seems my "ugly hack" is still needed for Force Lance to pierce Force Fields ... bit disappointing that it wasn't fixed yet

I thought I did fix this when Arioch passed on the bug report to me (ever so long ago). If you have a save game where it's not working, could you upload it for me?